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RE: What If Time Is Not a Straight Line?

I’m sure @ty-ty will have a few things to say on the subject. Well… quite a lot, actually. He finds the subject of time just as fascinating as you do.

I, for one, find it astonishing that I never have enough of it. Time is always in short supply. That seems to be lost on your motif, but only at first glance. I WANT time to be as linear as we experience it. My slightly compulsive nature would go haywire if time were a chaotic non-system in which we simply drifted along. I NEED routines, deadlines and appointments so that I don’t lose my way.

So I can’t really go along with your thoughts, even though my rational mind tells me that we drastically simplify a great deal in our perception.

I’ve never had a gut feeling that felt more like a memory. I don’t think so, anyway. But I have had vivid memories that turned out to be accounts from other people...

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I WANT time to be as linear as we experience it.

I can understand that!

What you (us) experience is : Conscious experience of the passage of time.

But you know what I find interesting? There are physicists who believe that our everyday experience of time, including the feeling that it actually passes, should be reflected in our theories about the universe. One of them is George Ellis, a cosmologist who developed something called the Evolving Block Universe model. EBU. So, unlike the idea that the past, present, and future all exist together in one complete block, this model suggests that reality itself keeps growing as time moves forward. Of course, it's a theoretical model, and it has its own scientific challenges.

What if our perception of time isn't entirely wrong, but simply incomplete? What if there's more to the nature of time than what we experience in our everyday lives? I don't claim to understand the physics behind all this, but I love exploring these possibilities and seeing how they challenge the way we ordinarily think.

What if our perception is only a simplified version of something much more complicated???

And now you've made me curious about those memories! How can you remember something so vividly, only to discover that it was actually someone else's experience? Did you hear their story and later mistake it for your own memory, or was it something else entirely? Because that's the sort of thing that would send my mind down another endless rabbit hole, arghh.

Let us put speculation aside for a moment and give some thought to the following question: What might ‘time’ mean to God / Allah? Could we reasonably assume that He is subject to time? And if not – what does that mean for us and our relationship with the past and the future? I am not asking here about knowledge, but about faith.

I was expecting this question...

The Qur'an describes Allah as Al-Awwal (The First) wa Al-Aakhir (The Last) (57:3, but it does not explicitly define His relationship with time in the language of modern physics. It is better to present the idea that Allah is the Creator of time as a theological understanding, rather than claim that we can explain His existence outside time in precise terms.

Allah/ God created time, but we experience existence through time.

Whether we can meaningfully imagine what existence without time would be like is another matter altogether.

If Allah is not subject to time (which is the case) as we are, then the past, present, and future are not separate in His relationship with His creation in the way they are for us. We remember the past, inhabit the present, and anticipate the future. We can regret yesterday and worry about tomorrow, but neither is something we can physically return to or enter before it arrives.

Allah, however, does not acquire knowledge of tomorrow by waiting for it to become today. His knowledge is not a process of discovery. The Qur'an repeatedly reminds us that Allah knows what has passed and what is yet to come.

Allah/ God created time, but we experience existence through time.

This is seductive, but I dare to deny it.
In my opinion (very humble opinion), it's mankind who created time. And after having created time, one can no longer imagine that time must have been before that.

By the way, I confirm this sentence:

It is better to present the idea that Allah is the Creator of time as a theological understanding, rather than claim that we can explain His existence outside time in precise terms.

This idea is to be regarded as a hint, not as the truth. In this way it can fulfill its purpose.

I’ll give it a go… ;-)) You know, that I had a rather strange upbringing. The thing is, I have absolutely no memory of a period of my childhood – just under three years. That gap… I know there must be something there that I’m repressing. For a while, it really got to me and I tried all sorts of things to access those memories: depth psychology, exposure therapy, and even hypnosis. Under hypnosis, drawing on snippets of genuine memories, I recalled things that had either been told to me by others (my grandparents or neighbours) about myself, or that I’d simply read. Read in the incredible number of books I devoured as a child. These experiences obviously seem just as real in my memory as things I’ve experienced myself...

It’s incredible how our minds work, isn’t it? The fact that things we’ve read or heard can become so intertwined with our own memories is fascinating.

I remember you were writing autobiography ... Did you complete it while I was away? I remember some of the details... Your story autobiography about having to become a different person every few months, learning new names and inventing different family backgrounds, makes me wonder how much a childhood like that can affect one's sense of identity. That must have been a very unsettling experience...

I didn't finish and I didn't work on it last month. But I've got some additional informations these weeks...

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What you (us) experience is : Conscious experience of the passage of time.

No, I regard this to be an error.
As far as I've understood of such things there is no time as an objective fact.
Time is a concept of humans, and it is a 'transcendential' one, that means: beyond sensitive experience.
Time is like a vessel or a framework within which we perceive and experience the world.
But what is the world outside our consciousnesses?
We don't know. We never will. It is impossible.

Quantum physics is contra-intuitive. But nevertheless it deals with phaenomena within the world.
The assumed Being itself is not touched by science. It is no 'world behind the world' as if we were Alices inside a hall or mirrors and 'behind' the mirrors faced with some others.

Wonder is the beginning of philosophy, not philosophy itself.

I suppose the fascinating part is that the more we learn about the universe, the more questions seem to arise. Science helps us explore what we can observe, while philosophy takes us to the boundaries of what we can know. Perhaps we don't need to find all the answers to appreciate the mystery.

Quantum physics is contra-intuitive

The reality doesn’t necessarily have to make sense to our intuition to be real. It challenges not only what we know about the universe, but also the limits of how we understand it.

The reality doesn’t necessarily have to make sense to our intuition to be real. It challenges not only what we know about the universe, but also the limits of how we understand it.

Very true!

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